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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts kate valentine and farrugia

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prepare to header paradigms shifted in

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the truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hi there Kate hey true show

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welcome and so here we are again and

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let's not forget to slate today is june

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seventh 2016 yes indeed and this will be

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our 32nd show so today on shattered

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reality we're going to start with a

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author Ron felber he has been on the

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show before and this has been with the

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Mojave incident today he's back with his

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new novel dark angel now we don't

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generally do novels but what we're going

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to talk about with him is the variety of

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different research he did for this

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latest thriller and it is a three a book

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series of Jack Madsen and Jack Madsen is

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a real tough guy so I without any

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further ado here is Ron felber hi Ron

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how are you good to be here it's good to

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have you seriously that's a great

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introduction to your book a nail-biting

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thriller government conspiracies

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research into cloning and mind control

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and the creation of a transhuman super

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soldier

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uh you know a few years back this would

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be just sci-fi I think you're getting

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close on to shattered reality here yes

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indeed before we step into the whole

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world of dark angel let us congratulate

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you because the Mojave incident is being

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made into a made-for-tv movie or

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something like that yeah we have a deal

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with the sci-fi channel and so we're

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going to have an hour an hour segments

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that will be devoted to the Mojave

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incident and you know the experiences

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interesting and the original folks are

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they involved in all the family yeah yes

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and that's the end as a matter of fact

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you know it was really something because

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including the doctors involved so the

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show will have videotape of the hypnotic

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sessions and interviews with all of the

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key players including the doctors the

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medical doctors involved one dr. Bernard

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Raton who is director of the National

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Center psychiatry in Washington DC very

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prominent physician and psychiatrist the

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other William anixter from the Asheville

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North Carolina a director of psychiatric

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care there so these are two very

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prominent physicians and I was really

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pleased that they were willing to step

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forward and do relate the interviews and

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also volunteer the original tapes that

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were recorded during their sessions oh

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well that's great and the family oh

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a part of this and it's unique because

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for the longest time really they did not

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step forward and so it was really

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delightful to see that that they wanted

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to be involved and and they did

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extensive interviews in front of the

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cameras for for this

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this show so this is going to be on the

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sci fi channel yes paranormal witness is

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the name of the show is the series and

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you have one full night of the series

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with the Mojave incident correct will be

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devoted to this one this one episode yes

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do you have any idea what date and time

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now the interviews have been done for

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about a month now and now they're

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working on actors how about that so

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somebody's actually gonna play me I said

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how about how about George Clooney they

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anyway who we should be a lot of fun of

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the October okay I an incident like that

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anybody needs to sort of believe that

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something happened to these people you

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know this was really a stunning account

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as you are aware and just extensive so

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or a couple which is unusual you know to

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have more than one person is abducted

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retrogressive hypnosis but with the

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Mojave incident in the hasp situation it

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was about four or five hours of

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conscious experience and then then they

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had these violent nightmares they

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remembered something and happened to

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them missing time and another four hours

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was recovered that was actually on the

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craft itself amazing that's gonna be a

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great movie hi orse or episode 50

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luck with that thank you and can perhaps

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a date I was going to say perhaps you

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and Denise stoners since they're into

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abductions in this type of gas doors

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that would be an excellent idea and play

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rain arrows Hernandez is also involved

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there in any case moving on to darkangel

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this as we've said this is really an

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interesting thriller and this is the

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third book with Jack Madsen it do you

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book actually I do have another book I'm

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chapters by September and have the book

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written by January itself it's not a

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jack Manson story but actually it's a

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sort of combination of a lot of the

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things I learned in dark angel and

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mojave incident put into a fictional

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account which is called the radiant I

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see well we'll be looking forward to

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that as well um basically starting off

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at the beginning you discuss Josef

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Mengele and you say that he did not die

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until nineteen seventy eight in

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Argentina that's correct and you spoke

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about the ratline but you didn't explain

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the ratline in the book sure well

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basically the book starts with Josef

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as the Allies invade and like many

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others Klaus Barbie Eichmann and other

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Faustian agreement with the the Nazis

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agreed to to give safe haven to some of

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the the most notorious criminals war

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criminals such as Josef Mengele the

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angel of death and relocate them to

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bill etc paraguay Chilean chili and

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those countries and change their

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identities but this was the CIA actually

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releasing these these people putting

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haven in return for other people like

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Werner von Braun like Reinhardt Galen

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United States government so for example

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Wernher von Braun was that you know

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notorious for making the V the V two

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missiles that were dropped on Eiland and

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killed you know thousands and thousands

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of people citizen I you know but women

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of the Nazi intelligence agency and what

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be the Soviet Union that was in the

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cards and as a matter of fact Winston

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did patent and and take on the Soviet

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was coming so basically what happened

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thousand spies that had infiltrated the

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Soviet Union we needed intelligence on

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the Soviet Union and so we let escape

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haven and in return we got access to the

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spy network so Reinhardt Galen

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his offices in Frankfurt Germany and

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instead of reporting to Goering and

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matter what side you're on dit just got

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a bunch of boys playing these games and

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people get killed anyway dangerous games

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yeah yeah Fareed but just for the

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information or some of our younger

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listeners I'll what exactly was dr.

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hot up to that they have you know one of

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the things that got me interested in

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writing that dark angel this Jack Manton

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colleague in Germany and we had our

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glass of beer we're just talking about

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that and the subject of a Dolf Hitler

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came up and he made a chilling statement

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he said Adolf Hitler wasn't wrong he was

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just ahead of his time oh and then he

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engineering he had the idea of designer

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children which we talk about now the

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idea of all right perfecting a nature so

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things but now what they turn to is what

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better in quote human beings through

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evolution and human engineered people

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thousands of humans sometimes to just to

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freeze you know so these experiments

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were horrendous and the idea was to

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for example change brown-eyed people to

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blue eyed people look at longevity look

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super soldiers or transhumans come comes

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in to make a soldier that did not need

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long periods of time that maybe it was

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immune to pain so at the end these

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transhumans could be smarter more agile

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more athletic have incredible endurance

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no remorse whatsoever through behavioral

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techniques so that they really became

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what the Nazis called in Mengele called

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slaughter machines they'd be dropped

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behind enemy lines and they would just

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kill at anything in sight for days on

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end and then terminate Wow well they

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never invented Saints though did they

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just these soldiers no yo doesn't seem

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to work that way I'm afraid I'll what's

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really scary I and I'm not totally

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familiar with it but this new technique

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of crisper where you can essentially cut

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this and so little startup nut jobs can

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be making transhumans in Topeka Kansas

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for all we know absolutely your book is

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right on that money it really is and

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actually it's called DNA splicing at

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crispers walk but also DNA splicing yeah

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and as a result you can create designer

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children for example you know children

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that are more athletic than they would

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be normally well children that maybe

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have more intellectual capacity this is

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sorry you can actually design human

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beings wow this has been going on for

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years I used to entertain from time to

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time for a holiday party with Japanese

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children these children were

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are the children of parents who had come

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from Japan to work for a particular Bank

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and what I would be doing would be I

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would be face painting or doing things

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that would primarily interest the girls

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and my partner in crime would come in

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and do things like juggling and top

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spinning and rope spinning that would

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primarily interest the boys now there

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was some crossover and lots of little

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Japanese boys got their face painted and

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lots of girls learn to spin ropes but um

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we would be hired by this concern every

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three years or so so that they could

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have different people appear to have

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different people every year because by

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the time three years went by either the

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children had grown up a bit and

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forgotten or there would be a different

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crop of children from Japan because

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these were temporary workers at the

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temporary in the United States at least

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well after about three cycles I was no

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longer needed because there were no more

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girl children there were only boy

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children there may be two girls and

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forty boys why because the parents had

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selected to have a male child yeah

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it'sit's really are quite astounding and

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and not only in terms of just the the

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concept of super soldiers and designer

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children but really in terms of a

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society it's clear to me and this is

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already happening that there will be

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enhanced humans and natural there'll be

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two classes of people and the enhanced

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will will obviously come from well-to-do

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backgrounds and they will be enhanced in

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many ways intellectually physically etc

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and the naturals will be like sort of

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drones people that are just normal

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people that don't have these

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enhancements or access to them so you

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could really see where we talk about one

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percent which may or may not be a you

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know a a very relevant phrase these days

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but I think the one percent going in the

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future

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won't have to be won't be about how much

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money you make it'll be about what you

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are whether you're enhanced or not and

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the one percent clearly will live in a

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world a virtual world almost that that's

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clearly different better and far above

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or inaccessible to the other 99 percent

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would you say this is a break away

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society you know frankly I think it's

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already a breakaway society okay well

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moving on to the next question having to

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do with the Forrestal situation you had

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done some research on that and it's a

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very interesting situation involving

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this fellow who was a long time a higher

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up in the Navy was it and he was working

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with Truman and then suddenly he was

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dead have having been thrown out or

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jumping out the window what did you

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aside this it was a suicide yeah that's

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right morrisville yeah actually the

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Forrestal campus at Princeton University

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is where the experiment in my book take

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place and these experiments that deal

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with cloning with well basically they

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call it green g Rin technologies and

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that that would be genetic engineering

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robotics artificial intelligence and

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nanotechnology so basically what they're

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working on is merging these these green

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technologies with memories with bodies

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and metabolisms even with personalities

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and progeny to create radical evolution

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they call it high-risk high-reward

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experimentation it's done by DARPA and

371
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this is a real thing this is not fiction

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dr. is the real thing but so is his

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research exactly yeah and and basically

374
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DARPA was started by which is defense

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advanced research projects agency under

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the depart

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defense was started by eisenhower

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post-world war two to keep the United

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States weaponry and technology for

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weaponry one full generation ahead of

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our nearest competitor so he could only

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imagine what kinds of things they would

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be working on but certainly the idea of

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super soldiers is not only something

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they're working on it's something that

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clearly has happened and I have some

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information from a book I wrote prior to

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this called the privacy war and some

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documents that came to me through a

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congressman that headed up the committee

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his name was Neil Gallagher about

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operation Phoenix where soldiers were

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dropped behind enemy lines they had used

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behavioral modification techniques and

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drugs a cocktail of drugs called the

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Green Hornet and basically these were in

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feta means and knob and combinations of

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other drugs actually have a list of them

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and Anton testimony from the committee

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by some of the soldiers involved had no

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memories of the atrocities they

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committed but basically they were given

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index cards with the names of families

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and they go into that were supposedly

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viacom and they've assassinate him in

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the most brutal ways and this would go

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on for days at a time and then they'd be

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picked up again and brought back but

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literally they could operate for days at

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a time with no need for food water sleep

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and they literally be killing machines

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it was cold operation Phoenix and it's

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very well documented okay well that is

414
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very interesting nor tax dollars at work

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your tax dollars at work indeed had you

416
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read the men who stare at goats by jon

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ronson [\h__\h] and Jim Channon and that his

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whole crew yeah yeah I did as a matter

419
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of fact one of the really good books on

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that which it just scrapes the surface

421
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was called in search of the manchurian

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candidate and you know that has a lot of

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the things that went on in the 60s but

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again if you think

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people just basic you know a woman goes

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into McGill University Hospital in

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Canada for for you know depression and

428
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winds up in some kind of a sleep

429
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deprivation chamber for 40 days on LSD

430
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you know like this is the kind of thing

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that was going on I mean people had to

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be toilet trained after these

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experiments in brainwashing wiping mines

434
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clean and implanting memories that's

435
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very done interests of military purposes

436
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of course that part is really

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interesting in terms of what some people

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have talked about involving UFOs that

439
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some of the things that have been seen

440
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are not extraterrestrial visitors or

441
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interdimensional visitors but rather

442
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government programs where false memories

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have been inserted into people what's

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your take on that I think it's entirely

445
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possible and not not only possible but

446
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not not even probable I I mean I think

447
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you can probably say these things with

448
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some some real search certitude yeah as

449
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a matter of fact maybe they would

450
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interest you but I do have a document

451
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that I could read to you from one of the

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participants in operation Phoenix from

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1966 would you like to hear something

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yes go for it a standard equipment most

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of us carried hush puppies a mark 22

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model Oh which used 9-millimeter ammo

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and had a five inch barrel equipped with

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silencer the weapon along with the fact

459
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that each of us could kill with our hand

460
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at only one other thing in common we

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were insane the most important element

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of the program aside from the men where

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the drugs supplied by the local case

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manager that kept us awake for days at a

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time erase the deeds committed from the

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mind and allowed peace to enter the soul

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at least for time it was called the

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Green Hornet a capsule containing a

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mixture of Benjamin an amphetamine which

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stimulated the central nervous system

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dexa milla synthetic steroid that

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stimulated the adrenal glands which made

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a man superhuman and reserpine commonly

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used to treat high blood pressure

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and mental patients The Green Hornet

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that Jones described was Kate was a

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capsule that quote caused Amanda act

478
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faster than normal he could feel his

479
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heart speed up his head would throbb and

480
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it felt as if the brain was actually

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growing it gave the man his own personal

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radar and his senses were fine-tuned to

483
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an extreme pitch every nerve ending was

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sensitive to sound sight and smell and

485
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it seemed as if a receiver was in the

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brain put all this together a man could

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stay awake for days fight function and

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not lose his mind that come from

489
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congressional testimony wow it's I don't

490
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understand why people spend so much time

491
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on money making ways to kill well you

492
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know Albert Einstein had a great quote

493
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about that he said giving technology to

494
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generals is like giving an axe to a

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serial killer that's a good thing I had

496
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not heard that one before but that's

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excellent that's really good so um how

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do you come down on the Forrestal

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incident um well there's a lot of you

500
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know speculation of what he knew or what

501
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he saw some say that he was involved

502
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with the UFOs and actually with a alien

503
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being that had been had been captured or

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rescued from the Roswell incident

505
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whether this is true or not I don't know

506
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but clearly this was somebody with a lot

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on his mind and at that time as my

508
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friend Neil Gallagher the congressman

509
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who ran the privacy committees found out

510
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there was all kinds of experimentation

511
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going on on human beings unknown to them

512
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sometimes grammar school children that

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were given drugs half the class were

514
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given a drug half the class wasn't as a

515
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control group to see how their grades

516
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came up they call them smart pills at

517
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the time things like that things that

518
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were clear violations of any human

519
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rights or our constitutional right and

520
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so these are really documented things at

521
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this stage of the game you know

522
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assassinations in the church committee

523
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you know for example in the late

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seventies contradicted the Warren

525
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committee

526
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you know assassinations and we were just

527
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killing people we were experimenting on

528
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people killing people it was just

529
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absolutely you know a bizarre time in

530
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American history and I don't think it's

531
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changed I think it's just become

532
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institutionalized and gone very dark

533
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exactly what bothers me occasionally you

534
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:55,660
read in the news about a very private

535
00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:59,120
individual doing a berserk act about a

536
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year and a half ago there was a woman

537
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with a her son I belong in the car right

538
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and she'd rammed the White House I tried

539
00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:10,610
to kill the president and it was

540
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completely out of character I have

541
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nowhere you know what if these people

542
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:19,190
are being trouble or not obviously not

543
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not not that they know about because

544
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:24,320
you'll hear about it here and there this

545
00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:27,410
is bizarre incidents well the Unabomber

546
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I was a good example of that he was one

547
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:32,990
of six people at Harvard that was being

548
00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:37,040
paid to you know undergo experiments and

549
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,100
testing on drugs etc I think of the six

550
00:27:45,130 --> 00:27:41,600
and there's a book on it pulled the

551
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:45,140
Unabomber and Harvard and basically I

552
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:47,030
think five of the six either wound up

553
00:27:53,790 --> 00:27:49,430
committing suicide or doing some some

554
00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:53,800
being a violent act I think one survives

555
00:28:01,060 --> 00:27:57,830
so Ashley darkangel start with Jack

556
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:01,070
Matson going to Princeton University at

557
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:06,080
the behest of parent whose daughter has

558
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:08,090
jumped off a building and committed

559
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:10,010
suicide they can't understand why she

560
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:12,740
would commit a suicide clearly she did

561
00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:15,260
and Madison verifies with the police

562
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:17,990
find that it was suicide but what he can

563
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,720
never understand is why right once he

564
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,360
starts investigating the question why is

565
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:26,000
when he starts to come upon these black

566
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:28,730
projects it's called mayhem which is

567
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:32,450
going on below forestville campus in

568
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:37,840
secret laboratories run by DARPA well I

569
00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:41,750
wonder how much in this story you

570
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,640
borrowed there from the Forrestal

571
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:46,400
incident because immediately when I was

572
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:46,880
read

573
00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:49,700
about the young girl committing suicide

574
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:52,190
and having no reason i thought about

575
00:29:00,010 --> 00:28:56,230
forest all right there and also the

576
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,020
suicide rate at princeton you have down

577
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:03,200
there as being the highest among the Ivy

578
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:06,200
League colleges which is fine to write

579
00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:08,690
that I mean that's the shirt that's me

580
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:10,790
that is it really i always thought it

581
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:13,550
was Cornell was a matter of fact the

582
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:16,610
heart rate was so high that above the

583
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:18,440
second floor they hasp all the windows

584
00:29:23,290 --> 00:29:20,600
so they can't open all the way at

585
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:23,300
Princeton that's correct oh wow I had

586
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,210
always thought that it was for now

587
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:29,600
because of the gorge and I was just so

588
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:33,740
competitive and cold yeah well you know

589
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:38,480
I guess many of those universities

590
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:40,970
particularly Ivy League you know it's

591
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:43,370
just so competitive it gets gets into

592
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:45,770
sort of a surreal world I think but I

593
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:48,170
don't think they put suicide rates on

594
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:49,730
their brochures no I don't think so

595
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:51,380
either of the fact that they put hasps

596
00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:55,970
on the windows yeah well having you know

597
00:30:01,960 --> 00:29:59,060
gone with a child to both Princeton and

598
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:01,970
Cornell and a number of other Ivy League

599
00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:04,910
institutions I could just feel it at

600
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Cornell where a difference and I was it

601
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:11,330
I I didn't feel that that much so um

602
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:18,080
moving on uh how how much did you study

603
00:30:27,550 --> 00:30:23,900
about the prevalence of these former

604
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:27,560
Nazis in this country are quite a bit

605
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:30,620
and as a matter of fact you know I was

606
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:32,450
going to Germany on business once a

607
00:30:37,540 --> 00:30:35,180
month for about 15 years so I actually

608
00:30:41,710 --> 00:30:37,550
went to the former SS headquarters in

609
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Northwest filia in weasel wheelersburg

610
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:44,930
and Germany and there's really a lot to

611
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:46,730
be learned from all of that but then

612
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:50,480
there was a lot of satanic cult things

613
00:30:58,270 --> 00:30:55,340
going on there and a lot of the Nazi way

614
00:30:59,580 --> 00:30:58,280
of doing things the SS way of doing

615
00:31:02,220 --> 00:30:59,590
things whether it

616
00:31:05,899 --> 00:31:02,230
had to do with medical medicine medical

617
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:05,909
practices whether it had to do with

618
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:09,000
eugenics whether it had to do with

619
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:12,010
intelligence operations really

620
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:16,090
influenced the CIA and in my view people

621
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:18,190
say well many people feel like the

622
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:19,330
United States took a wrong turn

623
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:22,960
somewhere well if I had a place in

624
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:24,760
history to say where the United States

625
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:27,130
took a wrong turn it was getting in

626
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:29,289
league with the SS and the Nazis after

627
00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:31,990
post after World War two because I think

628
00:31:40,529 --> 00:31:37,470
it it changed the the philosophy of

629
00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:40,539
intelligence agencies to again where

630
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:43,000
assassinations were okay and a lot of

631
00:31:48,299 --> 00:31:45,490
the things that the Nazis were doing we

632
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:48,309
just sort of inculcated into our own

633
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:52,840
playbook with human experimentation well

634
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:56,350
and they also invented propaganda and we

635
00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:58,240
see that now in all the political

636
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:01,330
campaigns tell a lie often enough and

637
00:32:07,409 --> 00:32:05,679
big enough and and then you get well

638
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:07,419
never mind we won't get into politics

639
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:09,220
nobody but I wouldn't say this I think

640
00:32:12,659 --> 00:32:10,510
this is that that's a very good point

641
00:32:16,409 --> 00:32:12,669
because I would say if there's a

642
00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:16,419
question that that people at least that

643
00:32:21,419 --> 00:32:19,390
have some sense of history ask is what

644
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:21,429
is the truth because it's like

645
00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:23,830
baskin-robbins these days yeah we which

646
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:27,640
truths would you lie and speaking of

647
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,220
history we should make a note and a

648
00:32:39,210 --> 00:32:33,600
thank you to all those people that died

649
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:39,220
back in 1944 on jun 6 now which was

650
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,590
d-day and so it seems a shame that a lot

651
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:47,460
of these people that died on both sides

652
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:49,809
really felt they were doing the right

653
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,720
thing and forwarding human progress and

654
00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:55,360
I agree with you in your book that what

655
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,270
they were really doing was forwarding

656
00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:01,600
sort of like a sort of a forward guard

657
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:05,230
for creatures like dark angel mm-hmm

658
00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:08,230
making the world safe for conspiracies

659
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:11,020
and I also think what are the

660
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:14,680
powerful things about dark angel is that

661
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:17,170
that really ultimately what Jack Matson

662
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:21,640
stumbles on to is is an attempt to

663
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:25,470
recreate a Fourth Reich ah and basically

664
00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:28,510
this is not science fiction I mean this

665
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:31,180
is not crazy I mean you had Daisy this

666
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:35,020
sheep clone you know back what 40 years

667
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:39,510
ago almost I would bet my house that

668
00:33:44,610 --> 00:33:42,220
there's a number of countries that have

669
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,620
cloned human beings yeah a number of

670
00:33:52,050 --> 00:33:47,440
countries you know I your pet cloned in

671
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:52,060
China it's amazing and then so so I

672
00:33:59,550 --> 00:33:56,070
think that this sort of idea of

673
00:34:02,850 --> 00:33:59,560
transhumans is is not only here it's

674
00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:02,860
almost irrevocably here it's part of our

675
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,860
culture if you look at even my son that

676
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:07,360
are watching just for lack of anything

677
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:09,610
else to watch weightlifters you know it

678
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:11,770
just sort of channel surfing and so

679
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,740
these people were so freakish mm-hmm but

680
00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:16,720
no offense against weightless lifters

681
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:18,880
per se but but these guys are clearly

682
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:20,649
and they'll tell you you know that

683
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:22,540
they're on all kinds of steroids all

684
00:34:29,460 --> 00:34:25,929
kinds of doping chemistry's etc and

685
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:29,470
really they are transhumans yeah because

686
00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:31,510
you people are not don't look like that

687
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,700
people don't have back sides that are

688
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:35,440
you know the size of a melon and

689
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:39,190
shoulders the width of a car the human

690
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:41,500
beings aren't built that way so really

691
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:43,600
walking among us right now whether it's

692
00:34:49,139 --> 00:34:46,570
Mark McGwire or Lance Armstrong or

693
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,149
Arnold Schwarzenegger really are trans

694
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:51,040
humans that were all very well aware of

695
00:34:59,400 --> 00:34:55,929
that is interesting and remarkable on a

696
00:35:03,240 --> 00:34:59,410
certain level but what sort of gets me

697
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:03,250
more is this whole part about erasing

698
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:06,850
memories and placing in new ones and all

699
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:09,900
the people in the United States who were

700
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:14,050
experimented on with LSD back in the I

701
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:17,200
was let's say 1960 it was a sixties yes

702
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:20,290
sure and as a matter of fact I mean some

703
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:23,320
of them didn't survive it and you know i

704
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:24,520
think was Franco

705
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,310
Tsin actually jumped out a window he was

706
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:29,940
given LSD didn't know it and this

707
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:32,290
survivor sued the US government and

708
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:34,890
actually won because was one of the few

709
00:35:39,780 --> 00:35:37,630
documented situations that came to light

710
00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:39,790
where this guy just jumped out of a

711
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:41,560
hotel window very similar to again

712
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:44,380
Forrestal are very similar to to marry

713
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,180
Linda Schumann in my book and the

714
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:48,880
Overlander Schumann your book that's

715
00:35:53,970 --> 00:35:51,190
that's correct that was it's just very

716
00:35:58,110 --> 00:35:53,980
very interesting and how do you come

717
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,120
down on this situation up in Connecticut

718
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:01,920
where the young man killed all the

719
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:06,370
children at the grammar school Sandy

720
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:08,260
Hook Sandy Hook yeah how do you come

721
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:11,290
down on that as a I mean here he had all

722
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:13,990
these guns and all of a sudden bang one

723
00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:16,420
day everything went I think he was just

724
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:19,600
crazy just crazy you think yeah I think

725
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:23,710
I think there's naturally crazy people

726
00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:26,410
do doesn't have to be you know they'd

727
00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:29,340
nut jobs back in the cave days I'm sure

728
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:31,780
but but i would say this it's a little

729
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,180
like if you want to cultivate a plant an

730
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:36,880
orchid you get a particular kind of soil

731
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:38,710
and you get a particular kind of

732
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:40,690
watering procedure and certain nutrients

733
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:44,670
in the and the flower grows similarly

734
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:47,680
craziness grows out of a certain kind of

735
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:50,530
yeah environment and I think the United

736
00:36:55,170 --> 00:36:53,050
States if you look at the gun violence

737
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:55,180
if you look at the arrest statistics if

738
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:00,400
you look at the drug use I mean we have

739
00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:02,170
become a culture I was just in the

740
00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:05,560
airport on my way to uh tomorrow which

741
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,400
was very nice but um you go to order

742
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:11,440
food and basically they put an iPad in

743
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:14,230
front of you and you have to figure out

744
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:16,510
let's say you want a glass of beer and a

745
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:18,970
sandwich so you enter all of this you do

746
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:20,170
your thing and let's say you want

747
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:21,340
another glass appear you have to go

748
00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:24,220
through all of that again people and by

749
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:27,070
the by the time it's obviously who do i

750
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:29,340
work for do i work for this restaurant

751
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:31,840
because it sure feels like i work for

752
00:37:36,690 --> 00:37:33,670
this restaurant there's no human

753
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:36,700
interaction at the end of the day it's

754
00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:40,810
a nuisance from A to Z there's no human

755
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:42,760
interaction there's no smile from a

756
00:37:47,819 --> 00:37:45,250
waiter there's no human encounter or

757
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:47,829
interchange and societies like that

758
00:37:53,579 --> 00:37:51,250
breed madness well like the club all

759
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:53,589
going down that corner we don't would

760
00:37:58,349 --> 00:37:55,210
you agree I mean basically it's likely

761
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:58,359
orchid in Reverse lack of human touch

762
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:02,800
lack of just the human scent the the

763
00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:04,810
idea of shaky hands or hugging someone

764
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,329
or cetera this is a culture that that

765
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:10,000
has really Expo cated that from its

766
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,270
vocabulary well would you quote actually

767
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:16,000
is EO wilson back in the 60s with

768
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,690
sociobiology were with his experiments

769
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:22,720
with norwegian rats after it over

770
00:38:30,329 --> 00:38:26,560
populated overcrowded the rats'll turned

771
00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:30,339
on each other we're not over populated

772
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,180
lots of land they were fine and they had

773
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:37,119
their little rat thing but also in this

774
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,510
country in the early 1700s where you had

775
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:43,680
all these phenomenal inventions of

776
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:47,200
government and philosophy those were

777
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:49,450
times where there was a very limited

778
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:53,950
population and I think overpopulation is

779
00:39:00,660 --> 00:38:56,950
truly at the root of many evils yeah

780
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:00,670
also allows for cannon fodder for these

781
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:03,640
dark angels yeah yeah but you know

782
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:05,650
you're talking about Forrestal and

783
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,710
university actually DARPA invests ninety

784
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:10,930
percent of its budget outside the

785
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:13,089
federal government in Newton

786
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:15,910
universities MIT Stanford Carnegie

787
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:19,480
Mellon those are you know this is where

788
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:21,880
they conduct their radical high-risk

789
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:27,040
high-reward change experiment and the

790
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:30,010
talk about super soldiers really this is

791
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:32,290
again not something that's science

792
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:34,990
fiction by any means I mean for example

793
00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:38,740
just to give you a modest example

794
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:40,540
scientists at the University of

795
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:42,910
Pennsylvania created genetically

796
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:45,670
modified mice the mice were like

797
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,580
shockingly large and muscular

798
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,280
launches next wider than their heads in

799
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:53,680
other words they created a new species

800
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,920
of mice and that's exactly what what's

801
00:40:02,520 --> 00:39:58,480
going on with human beings that's

802
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:02,530
troubling so you figure the top 1% as

803
00:40:09,150 --> 00:40:06,010
you say that are there uh what happens

804
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:09,160
to the other 99 percent which we will

805
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:11,770
probably be part of I mean do we just go

806
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:14,950
on our way we go to supermarket so we

807
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:17,800
get our little soil and green and go

808
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:19,890
home and watch our little entertainment

809
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:23,890
sort of like life is today yeah I think

810
00:40:27,330 --> 00:40:25,810
I think that that's true I don't know

811
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:27,340
that there's somebody puts a billboard

812
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:31,120
up and says you know there are enhanced

813
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:33,460
human beings and naturals yeah I don't

814
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:35,470
think it goes that way I just think an

815
00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:37,990
outside observer would look at it intact

816
00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:41,020
but this one percent has computers this

817
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,240
one percent has chips in their head so

818
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:45,420
that they can communicate telepathically

819
00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:48,460
this one percent you know has all the

820
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:53,020
wealth this one percent lives 30 years

821
00:40:58,650 --> 00:40:56,530
longer this one percent etc etc etc this

822
00:41:01,710 --> 00:40:58,660
one percent is unusually handsome or

823
00:41:05,460 --> 00:41:01,720
beautiful and and and I guess the other

824
00:41:07,860 --> 00:41:05,470
99 percent look up and admire them the

825
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:07,870
way one might admire movie stars but

826
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:10,540
there is going to be a glitch one of the

827
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:14,170
naturals will be enhanced just due to

828
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:17,410
perhaps genetic dabbling from the

829
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:19,750
enhanced ones and they're going to

830
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:23,550
realize what's going on and they'll be a

831
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:26,320
revolution and the whole crap will start

832
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,600
all over again I think that's what's

833
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:30,880
going to happen well that might actually

834
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:35,410
happen Kate we can only wait and see I

835
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:37,450
think I don't think we're on the inside

836
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:40,930
of DARPA or anything else but run I

837
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:44,290
think Ron is let's do a good war crime

838
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:46,590
before run runs off to become

839
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:49,660
genetically enhanced we would like him

840
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:51,940
to mention his book and where it's

841
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:54,700
available sure dark angel is the name of

842
00:42:00,270 --> 00:41:58,120
the book nice easy title and and you

843
00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:00,280
know it's available in bookstores I

844
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:00,760
certainly

845
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,790
amazon and somebody uh you know buys it

846
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:05,440
on Amazon I'd really appreciate it they

847
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:07,000
wrote a review that's always you know

848
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,690
very helpful we're looking at at perhaps

849
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:12,160
a feature film there's a screenplay

850
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,550
being written about it and I think I

851
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:17,680
think dark angel is an important book

852
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:21,270
because I think it brings to light in a

853
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:25,870
accessible way the the potential that we

854
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:29,050
face going into the future and might not

855
00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:31,240
be aware of otherwise I think it's

856
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:34,390
important that people understand where

857
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:39,400
we are as a as a species and and the

858
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,710
crossroads that we might be at makes

859
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:45,100
makes me really wonder about my wearing

860
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:50,350
my Fitbit you know what anyhow uh thank

861
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:53,260
you so much Ron for being on again and

862
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:56,170
keep us posted well it's always a

863
00:43:08,450 --> 00:42:58,420
pleasure and keep up the good work we

864
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:12,890
hello hey what they doing purusha and in

865
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:16,619
case Valentine and Alice with others

866
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:20,250
today from the bronxville Paranormal

867
00:43:28,990 --> 00:43:24,599
Society and um he's going to talk to us

868
00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:29,000
about a couple of his UFO sightings

869
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:32,940
before he actually starts with that one

870
00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:35,910
thing that came to my mind when i was

871
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:39,950
talking to Al was that certain people

872
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:43,800
are just those that have multiple

873
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:48,210
sightings or multiple experiences while

874
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:50,190
other people can go through their whole

875
00:43:57,650 --> 00:43:54,690
lives and never even see uh you know the

876
00:44:00,800 --> 00:43:57,660
wisp of a ghost or hear any voices in

877
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:00,810
their heads or ever see a flying saucer

878
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,260
so ow I think you're one of those guys

879
00:44:10,940 --> 00:44:07,500
right yeah my brother is the other guy

880
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,950
you're talking about he's just jealous

881
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:13,560
cuz that what the t-shirt says the

882
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,270
voices don't speak to him yeah you know

883
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,640
my brother's a parapsychologist and he's

884
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:23,280
been doing this for 40 years and he's

885
00:44:28,940 --> 00:44:26,220
seen one UFO when he was like 12 years

886
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:28,950
old when they were visiting Italy back

887
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:31,410
in God the 50s or something I don't even

888
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:33,390
know you know and that was like the only

889
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:36,690
one he's ever seen so tell us a little

890
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:40,500
bit about your best sightings or even

891
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:43,230
your your society too yeah well we'll

892
00:44:46,579 --> 00:44:44,910
hear about the society will give them a

893
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,589
plug at the end but we want to get in

894
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:50,160
the sidewall ok yeah Kate I'm sorry miss

895
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:53,940
ya Pine Bush would like to meet you um

896
00:45:00,260 --> 00:44:57,450
but getting back to my sightings uh I

897
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:00,270
have really three big ones that are in

898
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:02,130
my brothers book my brother wrote a book

899
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:03,930
it's called paranormal family and

900
00:45:09,170 --> 00:45:07,320
friends bye Frank RC and Auriga those

901
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:09,180
are the three that are in the debtor of

902
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:12,839
a cop in copyrighted that I can use but

903
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:17,700
um the first one goes back to well i'll

904
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:19,830
start with the big one big one was an 84

905
00:45:24,609 --> 00:45:21,700
85

906
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:24,619
working down in Yonkers I was living up

907
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:26,480
in Bridgeport Connecticut one night I

908
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:28,609
was traveling north on the Merritt

909
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,000
Parkway and I was coming up over one of

910
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:35,119
the one of the hills and a car i just

911
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,450
bought a brand-new 84 mustang in the car

912
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:40,490
was starting to putter on me oh boy says

913
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:41,810
i was getting up to the top of the hill

914
00:45:45,730 --> 00:45:43,490
i said let me get off onto the grass

915
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:45,740
before i get rear-ended and i got to the

916
00:45:50,109 --> 00:45:47,570
top of the hill i got off the grass and

917
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:50,119
when I got out of the car I looked down

918
00:45:54,339 --> 00:45:52,070
and I seen the parkway with a parking

919
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:54,349
lot it was just car stopped on both

920
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,090
sides of the parking lot and I really

921
00:46:00,520 --> 00:45:58,640
didn't know what was going on and I kind

922
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,530
of seen a state trooper down here so I

923
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:02,000
thought maybe there was a motorcycle

924
00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:03,890
accident or something so I was going

925
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,630
down to get help as I figured my car was

926
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:08,240
dead and I got down there and I said

927
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:10,130
what's going on and he said look up and

928
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:11,960
the whole time I was there I never

929
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:14,450
thought to look up because I'm on top of

930
00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:17,630
the hill looking down and so I look up

931
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:20,270
and there in the and the sky over the

932
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:23,210
parkway maybe 50 feet above the tree

933
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:26,630
line is like a mothership that I would

934
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:29,750
describe that looked like the Roman

935
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:31,670
Coliseum for lack of a better definition

936
00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:35,240
um but it was all lit up underneath it

937
00:46:39,370 --> 00:46:37,400
had different levels different like

938
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,380
differently cuz 12-story building or

939
00:46:44,859 --> 00:46:41,680
something and it was just sitting there

940
00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:44,869
parked in the sky and the people were

941
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:46,760
all out of their cars or everybody's

942
00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:49,250
looking up there's no wind there's no

943
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:52,580
noise there's no hysteria that people

944
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:54,320
aren't run around screaming it's the end

945
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,369
of the world and everybody's just

946
00:46:59,500 --> 00:46:57,920
looking up at this thing in awe and i

947
00:47:01,599 --> 00:46:59,510
turned to the state trooper and i say

948
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,609
what do you think it is and he says game

949
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:03,680
you look like you joking me you know

950
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:05,630
it's a he was what do you think it is

951
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,250
like a looks like a UFO to me he goes he

952
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:10,460
exactly and we're just sitting there for

953
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,260
a few minutes and people are coming over

954
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:14,480
and we're all talking and with just a

955
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:16,310
base by the size of this thing I mean it

956
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:20,510
was just humongous and after a few

957
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:22,910
minutes of it just sitting there it kind

958
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:25,400
of just popped up like a thousand feet

959
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:26,630
in the blink of an eye went up a

960
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:28,970
thousand feet and also you hear all the

961
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:31,640
cars start back up radios going on and

962
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:32,230
the

963
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:37,390
to work so I'm standing next to him he

964
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:39,070
calls in to the station and he says

965
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:43,119
could you um send out a couple of F air

966
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:45,090
national guard's from the Bridgeport

967
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:47,710
airport because we have a UFO between

968
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:50,410
these two exits on the Parkway so the

969
00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:53,320
the dispatches is okay so they send out

970
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:56,200
the two Air National Guard guys that

971
00:47:59,400 --> 00:47:58,090
they get up in the plane and they're

972
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,410
flying towards us and they're saying

973
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:01,359
it's a beautiful clear night it's like

974
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:04,210
730 and night eight o'clock it's July

975
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:08,050
the sun is out everybody can see and do

976
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,369
they say well we can't see anything

977
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:11,920
visually where is it he says it's you

978
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:13,930
know right here so we don't have

979
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:15,670
anything on radar but we'll be there in

980
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:18,910
like 30 seconds will be over you in 30

981
00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:22,990
seconds at that point this mother craft

982
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:25,480
of a ship goes straight up in the air

983
00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:28,420
just in a blink of an eye it's gone just

984
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:30,820
gone and a blinking guy and again

985
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:33,550
there's no sound there's no wind there's

986
00:48:40,050 --> 00:48:35,830
no nothing this thing is gone at that

987
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:40,060
point the the planes come roaring down

988
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:42,250
the Parkway and they're really low and

989
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:44,440
the trees are blowing it'll leave a

990
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:46,390
fallen all over the place in the ground

991
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:48,760
to shake it felt like the end of the

992
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:50,410
world at that point that was the only

993
00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:52,450
time during the whole experience that I

994
00:48:56,609 --> 00:48:54,340
was scared when the UH when the

995
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,619
airplanes went over and they're talking

996
00:49:00,330 --> 00:48:58,960
to the officer on the ground under

997
00:49:02,550 --> 00:49:00,340
saying well we don't see anything then

998
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:02,560
turn around we're gonna come back they

999
00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:06,130
go back up north up the parkway and they

1000
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:09,340
leave and I go racing home I was living

1001
00:49:13,770 --> 00:49:10,630
with my brother at the time I had as a

1002
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:13,780
living his attic apartment yet a three

1003
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:15,010
family house and I was up in the

1004
00:49:18,570 --> 00:49:16,930
upstairs and I I go crash it in the

1005
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:18,580
front door he comes running out the back

1006
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:20,859
he heard about it on the radio they had

1007
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:23,890
actually seen it um in bridgeport come

1008
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:26,320
over Bridgeport and wanted a DJ from the

1009
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:27,880
radio station went up on the roof and he

1010
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:30,010
was talking about it and my brother had

1011
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:31,690
its camera and all his gear he's getting

1012
00:49:35,609 --> 00:49:33,130
ready to jump in the car to come and get

1013
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:35,619
pictures of it I was like stop it's gone

1014
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:37,720
and I said you know you're not gonna

1015
00:49:42,810 --> 00:49:39,940
believe what I saw and it just told him

1016
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:42,820
about it and basically blew his mind you

1017
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,700
know he was already to get the evidence

1018
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:48,640
smoking gun the great photo and it was

1019
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:50,260
already gone by the time he got out of

1020
00:50:00,560 --> 00:49:54,430
the house um second time well are

1021
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:00,570
actually on another time was in 1994-95

1022
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:04,450
I was working in yonkers at the time and

1023
00:50:10,290 --> 00:50:07,930
at the Yonkers wipe up post office on

1024
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:10,300
North Broadway North Yonkers on but then

1025
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:14,140
it was a cold winter night and my friend

1026
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:15,850
Kevin we would last you guys leave the

1027
00:50:20,910 --> 00:50:18,490
building that night just hanging out by

1028
00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:20,920
the cars shooting the breeze and it was

1029
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:24,700
really you know dark quite a cold night

1030
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,530
but it was a cold chill in the air but

1031
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:29,440
it wasn't really cold you know and kev

1032
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:31,900
kind of felt that he was a tabbed UKTI

1033
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:34,780
and and we've seen this light in the sky

1034
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:36,910
really really far away she's a bright

1035
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:39,190
light and it looked like it was blinking

1036
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:40,630
and I just thought it was high

1037
00:50:46,140 --> 00:50:43,570
atmospheric clouds going by to give it

1038
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,150
that impression and I said to kev kev

1039
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:48,160
just busting his chops i said hey keV

1040
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:50,590
watch this I'm gonna give it morse code

1041
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,020
with the headlights in my car so I

1042
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:54,880
started playing with the Morse code and

1043
00:50:59,130 --> 00:50:56,950
he Kevin was freaking out it's a gas

1044
00:51:01,620 --> 00:50:59,140
stopped I'll do that leave it alone you

1045
00:51:04,290 --> 00:51:01,630
know and I honest to god I didn't think

1046
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:04,300
anything of it at a star and right after

1047
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,130
i finished the morse code thing it

1048
00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:09,180
started to move closer towards us and

1049
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:13,780
there was a big field that divided us in

1050
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:16,510
the and the next street over it must

1051
00:51:19,770 --> 00:51:18,370
have been like 100 200 yards away and it

1052
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:19,780
was a tree line there of course there

1053
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:21,670
was no leaves on a tree because it was

1054
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:23,910
december january something like that and

1055
00:51:29,850 --> 00:51:27,610
this thing stops across this across the

1056
00:51:32,580 --> 00:51:29,860
field on the other tree line and it

1057
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:32,590
drops out three red balls and these

1058
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,090
balls are coming down in there we're

1059
00:51:37,890 --> 00:51:35,920
watching these bulls as I've they

1060
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,900
they're floating down out of this craft

1061
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:39,520
behind a tree line and they get to a

1062
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:41,380
certain height and they all just blink

1063
00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:43,690
off and they're gone and you can't see

1064
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:45,700
him anymore and at this point something

1065
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:49,450
says to me look up and I look up and

1066
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:51,160
we're standing by the building buildings

1067
00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:54,820
maybe 50 feet high if that and there's a

1068
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:57,940
black triangle directly above our heads

1069
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:58,619
just

1070
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:01,170
yeah and it's looking at us and we're

1071
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,690
looking at it and Kevin is absolutely

1072
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:05,400
freaking out and he's trying to get back

1073
00:52:10,009 --> 00:52:07,710
into the building and I'm trying to stop

1074
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:10,019
this if he goes back in the building the

1075
00:52:13,009 --> 00:52:11,730
alarm is gonna go off and the postal

1076
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:13,019
inspectors are gonna comment I'm like

1077
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:14,940
stop stop don't go into building you

1078
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:17,849
know he was just freaking out and I'm

1079
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:19,559
looking at this thing and he's like

1080
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:21,210
saying oh maybe it's the stealth bomber

1081
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,890
and all this and I'm like come on keV

1082
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,720
this thing is just parked in the sky

1083
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:26,640
like somebody pulled up and put it in

1084
00:52:33,019 --> 00:52:31,319
park again no sound no no motor you can

1085
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:33,029
hear any motor there was no wind nothing

1086
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:35,130
like that and it's a night but it was so

1087
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:37,950
close that I could see like rivets in

1088
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:39,930
the metalwork it looked like it was

1089
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:43,410
metal work I could see and it just

1090
00:52:50,269 --> 00:52:46,980
pivoted as if if it was on an access and

1091
00:52:52,579 --> 00:52:50,279
it just kind of glided back across the

1092
00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:52,589
field where it had dropped off those

1093
00:52:57,289 --> 00:52:55,589
three red balls and if you would have

1094
00:53:01,999 --> 00:52:57,299
blinked your eye you would have lost it

1095
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:02,009
a nice guy it blended in so well and he

1096
00:53:07,279 --> 00:53:04,529
went north on the Parkway I went south

1097
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:07,289
and I ran home and I went up on the roof

1098
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,660
to my house where I was living just to

1099
00:53:16,489 --> 00:53:11,339
make sure nothing had followed me home

1100
00:53:21,739 --> 00:53:16,499
we didn't see anything and ten years to

1101
00:53:24,259 --> 00:53:21,749
the day 2004 something like that um I'm

1102
00:53:26,809 --> 00:53:24,269
ooh I moved upstate I'm living up stay

1103
00:53:28,819 --> 00:53:26,819
put a house up stay and my daughter was

1104
00:53:31,279 --> 00:53:28,829
born my daughter who was born in 94 she

1105
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:31,289
had just turned 10 and we're coming back

1106
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:34,170
from martial arts and we're driving down

1107
00:53:39,739 --> 00:53:36,180
the road we're going north of this road

1108
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:39,749
in dutchess county route 376 and she

1109
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:42,450
says to me I did opt out of the blue she

1110
00:53:47,269 --> 00:53:46,049
says dad there's a UFO following us can

1111
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:47,279
I start laughing cuz she's a

1112
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:49,859
ten-year-old kid I go what do you know

1113
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:52,049
about UFOs you know and she says well

1114
00:53:55,970 --> 00:53:54,150
there's a UFO following us I said okay

1115
00:53:57,289 --> 00:53:55,980
and she goes look at that light it's

1116
00:54:00,380 --> 00:53:57,299
been following us since we left the

1117
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,390
karate school and I say it's probably

1118
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:02,819
just a plane or a helicopter go into the

1119
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:04,529
airport the local airport is on that

1120
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:07,380
road and but I noticed that you know

1121
00:54:10,339 --> 00:54:08,970
we're hitting all the traffic light so

1122
00:54:11,849 --> 00:54:10,349
we're hitting all the stop signs and

1123
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:11,859
this thing has never passed

1124
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:13,660
and I'm saying why isn't this thing

1125
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:16,390
passes it should have gone past us at at

1126
00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:17,980
a certain point should have gotten bias

1127
00:54:23,339 --> 00:54:20,470
but it never does it always stays to my

1128
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,349
left my rear corner panel right wish she

1129
00:54:27,809 --> 00:54:25,119
can see and she's watching it the whole

1130
00:54:29,729 --> 00:54:27,819
time we get to the airport and this

1131
00:54:32,759 --> 00:54:29,739
thing makes a hard left and it goes

1132
00:54:34,529 --> 00:54:32,769
south towards the city we continue north

1133
00:54:35,940 --> 00:54:34,539
towards our house and I tell her I said

1134
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:35,950
see must have been a plane or a

1135
00:54:40,289 --> 00:54:38,559
helicopter so I'm no big deal we get

1136
00:54:43,019 --> 00:54:40,299
home we pull into the park in the

1137
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:43,029
driveway the sensor lights go on she

1138
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,160
jumps out of the car I'm farting around

1139
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:46,720
in a car looking for something and I

1140
00:54:50,759 --> 00:54:49,210
hear her screaming hysterical so I jump

1141
00:54:53,549 --> 00:54:50,769
out of cargo what's the matter she says

1142
00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:53,559
dad looked up and there above my house

1143
00:55:02,670 --> 00:54:57,369
is a black triangle just sitting above

1144
00:55:04,819 --> 00:55:02,680
my house silently no wind no noise no

1145
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:04,829
nothing and it's just sitting there

1146
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:07,119
parked over my house and at this point

1147
00:55:12,450 --> 00:55:10,150
I'm a little aggravated that this thing

1148
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:12,460
is parked over my house he scared to

1149
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:15,460
death so I said to her go get your

1150
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:17,049
mother and your brother and my wife

1151
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:18,609
comes out on the deck the front deck

1152
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:20,380
with my son who's about five at the time

1153
00:55:25,979 --> 00:55:23,170
and she goes what may go look up and she

1154
00:55:28,049 --> 00:55:25,989
looked up and she sees it my son season

1155
00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:28,059
you get scared to death and she grabs

1156
00:55:32,279 --> 00:55:30,700
him as she runs inside and I'm standing

1157
00:55:33,989 --> 00:55:32,289
there looking at it and I'm just like

1158
00:55:35,789 --> 00:55:33,999
thinking you know what do you want with

1159
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:35,799
me why over my house you know what's

1160
00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:38,650
this all about and it starts to drift

1161
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:42,460
just float past me gets to the road and

1162
00:55:47,249 --> 00:55:44,950
it makes a hard left and it's going east

1163
00:55:49,979 --> 00:55:47,259
on my road I live on a long coup de sac

1164
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:49,989
and at the end of my rotor power lines

1165
00:55:53,999 --> 00:55:52,210
and there's no street lights up here

1166
00:55:56,279 --> 00:55:54,009
where I live its pitch black and I'm

1167
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,289
keeping an eye on this thing again if I

1168
00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:58,480
blink I'll lose it it gets to the power

1169
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:01,890
lines and it drops out three red balls

1170
00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:06,190
okay at this point I'm freaking out I

1171
00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:09,099
run into the house I grab my German

1172
00:56:14,999 --> 00:56:11,769
Shepherd my bag fleshlight a cell phone

1173
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,009
I grab my my samurai sword I tell my

1174
00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:17,440
wife I'm going well I'm going into the

1175
00:56:21,029 --> 00:56:19,480
woods okay so I don't want to go into

1176
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:21,039
the woods unarmed because there are

1177
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:25,210
coyotes and big cats and black bear I'm

1178
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:26,830
gonna walk into the woods unarmed at

1179
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:29,860
night so I said to my wife is the cell

1180
00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:32,260
phone call me every 10 minutes I'm going

1181
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:33,880
to look for these three red balls i fell

1182
00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:36,640
out of this thing I go into the I going

1183
00:56:40,350 --> 00:56:38,140
under the palin the power lines is a

1184
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,360
nice cut under the power lines kids use

1185
00:56:44,130 --> 00:56:42,160
it to ride the dirt bikes and their quad

1186
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:44,140
runners and everything so it's a big

1187
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,780
open space you know and I'm looking

1188
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:48,880
around I'm looking for broken branches

1189
00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:50,770
where this thing may have come down I'm

1190
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:53,320
looking for smoldering leaf litter on

1191
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:55,390
the ground because again it was in you

1192
00:57:01,530 --> 00:56:58,330
know the late winter december january

1193
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:01,540
i'm looking for smoldering objects

1194
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:04,660
anything that looks unusual and i walked

1195
00:57:09,090 --> 00:57:06,970
up and down apparel line maybe a mile in

1196
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:09,100
each direction while my wife called me

1197
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:11,500
every 10 minutes to stay in contact and

1198
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,950
i found absolutely nothing well done

1199
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:16,780
whatever came out of that craft never

1200
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:20,020
had to grab a Braverman and me at but

1201
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:22,210
then again i was mad at me honest i was

1202
00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:24,610
i was upset at that point because you

1203
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:27,100
know what is this thing doing parked

1204
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:29,530
over my house i mean you know what is it

1205
00:57:34,590 --> 00:57:31,300
why is it here why is it over my house

1206
00:57:37,110 --> 00:57:34,600
sucking energy from the power line well

1207
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:37,120
i mean it didn't hover over the power

1208
00:57:41,220 --> 00:57:39,280
lines like to absorb the energy it

1209
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:41,230
hovered over the power lines to drop

1210
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,110
these three red balls out and i don't

1211
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:47,920
know what with those three red um balls

1212
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:50,830
are are you know where they went when

1213
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:53,320
they came out or whatever but i wonder

1214
00:57:59,850 --> 00:57:56,290
if these are the same things that are

1215
00:58:04,940 --> 00:57:59,860
described as red orbs there i met a

1216
00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:04,950
fellow at the at the UFO convention in

1217
00:58:09,090 --> 00:58:07,240
Pennsylvania it actually was over the

1218
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:09,100
river in new jersey but it was the

1219
00:58:14,670 --> 00:58:12,490
Pennsylvania MUFON meeting about a year

1220
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,680
and a half ago and it was a gentleman

1221
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:16,480
there and I'm awfully sorry I can't

1222
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:18,010
remember his name but he had written an

1223
00:58:24,450 --> 00:58:21,370
entire book on how many people were

1224
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:24,460
seeing these small red orbs anything

1225
00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:27,370
from the size of a baseball to the size

1226
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:30,580
of a small room you know like the size

1227
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,260
of a Volkswagen or something yeah

1228
00:58:36,810 --> 00:58:35,200
absolutely yeah and uh I wonder if these

1229
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:36,820
things are related it might be an

1230
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:38,990
interest they think thing for you

1231
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,440
to look into al but anyway I want to

1232
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:44,960
thank you so much one question I just

1233
00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:48,050
cracked uh what would come to mind are

1234
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:53,000
any missing time on your part um no no

1235
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:56,180
not if not at all I'm not not not that

1236
00:59:04,359 --> 00:58:59,090
particular that not that particular

1237
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:04,369
night but um I've had um experiences and

1238
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:07,910
in my home where I believe not only I

1239
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:10,610
was abducted but one of my children were

1240
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,330
adopted too far at least attempted

1241
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:16,400
attempted to be abducted you know and

1242
00:59:21,820 --> 00:59:19,490
then the BPS team doubront so paranoid

1243
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:21,830
site we did do an investigation last

1244
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:24,650
October on Halloween Eve where we've

1245
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:27,980
seen a red orb in the sky that came to

1246
00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:31,670
us and when we shut off our headlamps to

1247
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:33,350
get a better at it hit us with a

1248
00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:37,040
floodlight and at some point during the

1249
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:39,460
course of the night we lost two hours

1250
00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:43,130
but um we do have that on video because

1251
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,230
we were streaming live on periscope and

1252
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:47,119
Twitter at the time so we do have that

1253
00:59:51,730 --> 00:59:49,730
on video it is on our website but um

1254
00:59:53,859 --> 00:59:51,740
it's you know it's that's another story

1255
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:53,869
for another day yeah well for if

1256
00:59:59,200 --> 00:59:56,450
exciting yes very good sightings and we

1257
01:00:01,859 --> 00:59:59,210
really nice trying i fighting with us

1258
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:01,869
I've had I've had tons and tons of

1259
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,520
sightings I mean tons of sightings at

1260
01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:07,040
all so many at one point I had so many

1261
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:08,420
sightings that I thought it was losing

1262
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:10,220
my mind that I had a call my brother I

1263
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,930
said I think I'm losing my mind I'm

1264
01:00:15,940 --> 01:00:14,000
seeing him every single night and he

1265
01:00:17,590 --> 01:00:15,950
just said document everything the time

1266
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:17,600
where you were and all this other stuff

1267
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:19,970
and try to get photos of them I tried a

1268
01:00:24,310 --> 01:00:22,400
couple of times but nobody cameras

1269
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:24,320
always said the batteries were dead but

1270
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:26,450
soon as the thing went away the camera

1271
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:29,090
works fine yeah that seems to be the way

1272
01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:33,170
it is again AL thank you very much for

1273
01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:36,350
coming on and sharing a few experiences

1274
01:00:42,250 --> 01:00:39,080
with us and we hope to have you on again

1275
01:00:44,349 --> 01:00:42,260
would you not leave a document where

1276
01:00:46,690 --> 01:00:44,359
you're from and how people can get in

1277
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:46,700
touch with you and why they should get

1278
01:00:52,839 --> 01:00:50,990
in touch with you well um the my teams

1279
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:52,849
the teams my team's names

1280
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:54,559
bronxville paranormal so you could find

1281
01:01:00,160 --> 01:00:57,650
us on on the net www branchville

1282
01:01:02,229 --> 01:01:00,170
paranormal society com we're on all

1283
01:01:05,739 --> 01:01:02,239
social medias so you could find this on

1284
01:01:08,140 --> 01:01:05,749
on social media again same thing with

1285
01:01:11,799 --> 01:01:08,150
myself I'm on all social medias outs and

1286
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:11,809
Riga and you could just email me or text

1287
01:01:16,779 --> 01:01:14,630
me or whatever message me if you have

1288
01:01:18,999 --> 01:01:16,789
something going on that you think we you

1289
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:19,009
know we ought to look into whether it be

1290
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:23,569
sightings cryptids or paranormal ghost

1291
01:01:28,749 --> 01:01:26,180
or whatever you know we cover the gamut

1292
01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:28,759
of paranormal we don't just look for one

1293
01:01:33,219 --> 01:01:31,729
particular thing and you know so we're

1294
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:33,229
always we're always interested in

1295
01:01:38,049 --> 01:01:35,690
picking up cases and investigating

1296
01:01:39,609 --> 01:01:38,059
that's what we do and I'll tell you what

1297
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:39,619
we did an investigation that night at

1298
01:01:43,420 --> 01:01:40,970
pine bush in that hundred year old

1299
01:01:44,890 --> 01:01:43,430
Victorian and you won't believe the

1300
01:01:47,319 --> 01:01:44,900
evidence we came away with it was

1301
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:47,329
amazing well we're gonna get back to you

1302
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,190
on that absolutely and we'd love that

1303
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:52,400
Becca thank you so much yeah I'm sorry I

1304
01:01:58,900 --> 01:01:55,670
missed you at Pine Bush too they don't

1305
01:02:02,829 --> 01:01:58,910
make sure next year yeah baby sitter

1306
01:02:04,509 --> 01:02:02,839
okay okay signing off there now okay

1307
01:02:08,650 --> 01:02:04,519
thank you late thanks for good bye yeah

1308
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:08,660
bye bye s'okay mm-hmm we had double

1309
01:02:16,359 --> 01:02:12,319
trouble today huh yeah yeah yeah I don't

1310
01:02:20,229 --> 01:02:16,369
know what's more paranormal ufos or all

1311
01:02:22,569 --> 01:02:20,239
these star fur experiments well it seems

1312
01:02:26,499 --> 01:02:22,579
as though the darpa experiments are

1313
01:02:28,839 --> 01:02:26,509
scarier I mean there are UFOs that seem

1314
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:28,849
to harm people but most of them don't

1315
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:31,160
know yeah most of the most of them don't

1316
01:02:34,839 --> 01:02:33,049
other than scaring them out of their

1317
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:34,849
ways yeah they've been people who've

1318
01:02:40,420 --> 01:02:37,249
gotten irradiated and there were people

1319
01:02:44,229 --> 01:02:40,430
down in Brazil that really got messed up

1320
01:02:47,289 --> 01:02:44,239
down in down in that I largely a lot is

1321
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:47,299
largely nothing much but largely people

1322
01:02:54,969 --> 01:02:49,910
just get frightened they lose time they

1323
01:02:59,559 --> 01:02:54,979
see things but the DARPA is more scary

1324
01:03:02,890 --> 01:02:59,569
to me mm-hmm especially you don't know

1325
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:02,900
who's really running it and how saying

1326
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:06,650
they are how same as anybody

1327
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:10,310
but most people don't deal with death

1328
01:03:18,370 --> 01:03:13,970
rays and transom and soldiers and stuff

1329
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:18,380
oh well yeah anyway well we're looking

1330
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:21,020
forward to seeing you again or hearing

1331
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:23,030
you're hearing us again and we do

1332
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:28,930
welcome your participation by way of

1333
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:34,160
letters writing to our websites which

1334
01:03:46,410 --> 01:03:42,130
are wwh a turd reality podcast calm and

1335
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:46,420
shattered reality podcast dot

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wordpress.com no ww on that and we have

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I think would have to wait till next

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time but we had some interesting

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responses to rosalyn burn which maybe

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we'll read next time and look forward to

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hearing from all of you Chris DARPA I

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mean there's got to be conspiracy

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theorists out there that have a lot to

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say about DARPA indeed there must be and

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please remember we're a non commercial

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radio type program in the podcast but

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there's nobody to tell us what to do or

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what to say so we are really the

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antidote to mainstream media so please

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get out there and support us like our

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